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As far as I know BMI is a calculation using your height and weight. Right now I am on the upper end of healthy with a BMI of 24. I haven't had my body fat tested since I was in the Army over 20 years ago. I am really interested in what that is and am going to see if anyone at our local YMCA is qualified to do that. I had a scale (recently got rid of that) that would figure body fat but I really think it was wrong because it had me at about 32-33% body fat and I have some serious solid legs (which is what the scale uses to figure the body fat)

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10/16/10 2:00 P

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Rena, that is an excellent point. One of my friends has really bad back issues and had not been able to exercise for a while, but had kept her weight low.

She finally got the all clear to exercise from her doctor and started P90X. She has been sticking to the program - diet and exercise - and the change is amazing. Even though her weight stayed the same, she went from over 30% body fat (THIRTY PERCENT!!!!) to under 20%. Amazing.

Looking at her before she started P90X, you never would have thought she was so fat!

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10/16/10 1:38 P

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BMI has fit healthy people thinking they are overweight and overweight people thinking they are in the clear..

Thin underweight people dropping dead from being clogged up with cholestrol thinking they can eat anything without consequences..
BMI is over rated and has quite a few problem issues that don't ring true...


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10/16/10 11:22 A

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OK, this thread got my curiousity going. I got on the scale yesterday for the first time in a long time so I could calculate my BMI. It is 18.4, to which is say HAHAHAH!!! There is NO WAY anyone would look at me and think "underweight". In fact, were you to look at my legs, you would actually be convinced they were attached to a couch potato with a good 10-15 pounds to lose!

Just goes to show that BMI is a VERY general guide.

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10/15/10 3:34 P

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I'm 1 lb. away from being in my normal range. People think I'm crazy when I confess that I'm still 1 lb considered overweight. My legs are very muscular and carry my weight in my belly (apple shaped). Le sigh. I would say that I have about 5 lbs. of fat in my mid section to go.

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10/15/10 7:33 A

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Yes, I am in my BMI range. I'm pretty much right in between of the normal range. I'd like to keep it that way or even lower it a little!

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all my jiggly is in the lower region................. upper jiggly would be preferable if its "the girls" that are doing the jiggling. Nothing sexy about the rolling thunder of a jiggly belly or thighs. LOL



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10/10/10 11:10 A

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Yes but I am toward the high end... not sure if that takes into acount muscle.. since my lower half is all muscle... upper I am a little jiggly

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My BMI shows as 24.9 which is the very top of healthy so I am just barely in range. I still look like a pear or an apple. 37 inch belly 40 inch hips and my bone structure is small. maybe Im a beachball.

Anyway - I have at least 10 pounds of pure fat to lose............ and while I cant spot lose it - I know I will keep going til those bad spots are how I want them. Im not sure what my BMI will be at that point.



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Goddess Charlene, it is great to see you around these parts again. You're still an inspiration to me! *hugz*

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10/8/10 11:25 A

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different, exactly right, sheri. takes all kinds! lol seriously though, we are only competing against ourselves. trying to improve on something, anything, every day. meeting a different challenge every day. getting results on something every day. at least thats my mini goal, the everyday one that keeps me dancing towards my larger, long term ones. do whatever works for you and hopefully enjoy the process of figuring out what it is exactly that works!

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10/7/10 4:51 P

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You absolutely have to love these forums, don't you! Thanks Pam.

We are all different, right, wrong, changing, growing, etc. I definitely DO NOT use it as the only tool, it is one measurement tool.

DIVEGODDESS and I have posted before, she is petite compared to me (can't remember her exact height) but you put us next to each other and we look ALOT different, even though we are both in excellent shape. Some folks would consider me "huge" or "large"...

It is interesting topic... love it though.

Food for thought! Look at true marathon runners - the ones that win the NYC Marathon. They have no fat! How is their muscular development? Not the same as Mr. Olympia who also has hardly no body fat... just different!
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My BMI is around 23 which states I am healthy but the only problem with how this is calculated is that the BMI considers "EVERYTHING" equal. It takes into consideration only height and weight and nothing else.

I am 56 years old and am 5'4" inches tall and weigh 138 pounds. If you take the same stats for an 18 year old who is 5'4" inches tall and weighs the same amount they are also considered healthy. But is that really true??

As you get older you are expected to have more body fat. Even when you use the calipers it takes into account your age. At 56 with a body fat of 18% with 3 pt caliper test, I am considered extremely lean for my age.

I take all of this with a grain of salt. My doctor and I both say I am healthy and that is all that counts.

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10/6/10 2:32 P

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I think BMI CAN be a good tool for calculating GENERAL health... but as we have seen here, everyone is an individual and many people fall outside of the standard parameters.

I have a healthy BMI, around 19. The last time I had my BF tested, it was around 19%... but if you were to compare my phsyique to DIVEGODDESS's, you would see two VERY different people! She clearly lifts WAY more than I do and adheres to a very different diet!



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10/6/10 12:02 P

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I've got a ways to go before I see my BMI where I want it, but I like to be in the lower end, althought I'm thinking as I gain more lean muscle mass that might not be possible, but I'm sure I'll end up in the "Healthy" range again.

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10/6/10 10:13 A

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sheri honey, shout it from the rooftops! what you accomplished was fantabulous! inspirational! iron discipline and motivation! im proud of you and i dont even know you!!! lol
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10/6/10 4:52 A

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I have not fit into that category for a long time. At the moment it is due to fat. BMI doesn't particularly bother me though as it does not take into consideration about muscle mass, although the doctors over here really like it.

Plus I think when you are trying to lose weight and get fit the last thing you need is a statistic saying that you are morbidly obese. How can you like yourself when you are told that by your doctor? When my doctor told me I felt awful, I wanted to just sit and cry, I felt worthless and a failure, it was only when I got here and the wise words of some of the other sparkers helped me over that and to see how to move forward.

I am currently 214lbs (very obese on bmi) and am looking to get down to 160, obviously will see how it goes, last time I got down to this weight my friend told me to stop losing weight as I looked good and she didn't want me to get too skinny (I wasn't as muscular then). Even then I will only just be inside the healthy range for BMI.

I am going by look and feel for most of it and my other half is always honest, not always a good thing ;). As long as I continue to lose fat and retain and gain muscle I am happy.

My scales measure the percentages, fat, muscle etc... and so I use this as a benchmark (I dont think they are 100% accurate). This helps me see where the weight is going from and currently my bodyfat % is reducing and my muscle % is increasing, so I am a happy bunny!

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10/5/10 7:12 P

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Thanks for commenting!

One of the things I used in conversations with certain Drs (not all of mine are BMI Lovers) were the Fitness Magazine cover models that you see on Oxygen or Fitness Hers. In off season some can weigh in the 150s but still have a healthy or for their age, lower than average BF%. However when you plug the numbers, their BMI's are higher. I'm not trying to make excuses for my weight or fitness level, I just wanted to see how many ppl don't fit into the average standards.

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BMI sometimes has nothing to do with how fit or healthy you are. Last december I was 19% body fat but I went to the doctor and she told me I was 12-16 lbs overweight, this was after I had gained 16 lbs of mass and lost 2 lbs of fat. I know people who are 110 lbs and their BMI is low but their body fat is vry high.

But I'm also finding that body fat % is a bit arbitary too, no matter how I get measured my body fat is in the 19-22% range, but when I ask trainers, physique judges what I look like I am, they say 12-15%. If I compare myself with other people who are in my bf range I look so much leaner. I have visible abs, great defintion etc . I must have some hidden viseral fat somewhere.


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Wholly Wow!

That's really good! Congrats to you!!

I'll be honest, I'm not that strict and when push comes to shove... I don't want to be. But that's ok, bc we all have different goals and needs.

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It is definitely a "touchy" subject - pun intended. Mine was done, and is still done with calipers - my scale at home shows a higher number. Go figure. But in watching how my trainer does it, I can see why my numbers are low based on the 6 areas where the calipers "pinch" - there isn't any fat there anymore, so it makes alot of sense. Especially what Ramona points out about the skinny fat.

For this competition at my gym I did, I ate really clean, no processed food, minimal carbs, etc. And dropped 14 lbs and 5% body fat in a month - it was shocking, especailly when I thought I was at my finest. It was eye opening for sure.

Anyway, I appreciate the kudo's - I wasn't going to post anything, because I know alot of folks hate this subject, BUT, this one is in the iron maidens forum, so I felt like it was a good place to show that it can be done.

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10/5/10 6:38 P

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I'm all for BF% Testing!! My lowest was 22.5% (2-2.5 ago yrs) and I was 174 lbs (Adult yrs; teens I was lighter-160 to 163). I have had both calipers used and used something called the Bod Pod (?) it's like water testing but done in a portable mini trailer for lack of better description.

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10/5/10 6:23 P

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It really depends on how you measure BMI... if it's simply with a scale or on-line calculators... nope, and likely never will, as long as I'm committed to building muscle (the margin of error in these methods is HUGE).

However, if measured by a professional using calipers (and not all professionals are created equal... the more measurements the better), or even better yet, immersion (bodpod, or other device that actually uses your own specific measurements), I am betting I can definitely be less than 'obese'. It's all about how accurate a measuring device is.

Honestly, I don't think serious builders who truly know what they are talking about (Tom Venuto, Lou Schuler, Alwyn Cosgrove) can be wrong, do you?

There is such a thing as 'skinny/fat' people who by weight alone are not overweight for their height, but if their body composition was measured accurately, they would be found to have a high BMI because their muscle to fat ratio is so low.

...And no, at goal weight, I will not be petite... I don't have a petite frame and I am large-boned. But I will no longer be 'obese' or even 'overweight'... maybe not even on a scale.


P.S. YEAH, Sheri! Way to go!!!! I'm turning 50 in six months, and that's the direction I'm headed! ...And what/how you eat has A LOT to do with it! emoticon

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Dr. Jason Fung: "Holy consensus, Batman. With so many 'experts' from Michelle Obama to the USDA to virtually all of the medical professionals (including doctors and dieticians) agreeing that 'Eat Less, Move More' is the way to go, you might think that it is 100% unquestionably true. But here's a queer thought... if we all agree that we know the cure for obesity, and we've spent billions on educations and programs - why are we getting fatter? In other words, why does this 'cure' suck so bad?


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I didn't think it was possible either, but my trainer proved me wrong. Alot of it has to do with diet, not just exercise and lifting. A few other ladies will attest to that when they see the thread.

I started this when I was 40 years old. 185 lbs, 36% body fat. Poor range of BMI chart.

I am 43. Hovering at 158 lbs and 15% body fat. Excellent range of BMI.

Good luck in getting there if that is what you want. Each person has to set their goals - for me, I was going to get to that goal either on my own, or by aging (I was stuck at good for a year, and knew that If I held my own, then by shear aging, I would hit excellent, LOL). But, by chaning my routines and really eating clean, not just talking about it, I dropped 11% body fat and got there.

Can be done.
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No, I will never attain the average BMI either. I am still considered obese on that chart. I would be happy losing 10 pounds, even 15, but I haven't considered myself obese for a while now. But I am like you, I will keep all of the hard earned muscle I have worked for the last couple of years, and they can call me obese if they want to!!!

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I am not - but I have to say - it is not in te genes for me I am just overweight emoticon

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I'm just curious for the avid lifters of the team, are you within your BMI?

I have never been in my BMI, even with a semi-defined 4 Pack and ripped legs and arms. Never! Not in high school when I played contact sports, Not after high school when I was training to be an amateur body builder. Not even on my fittest, leanest, fastest day was I ever within my range. I wore a size 6/8 in American Eagle juniors and ran a mile 6.00 minutes flat. Leg pressed over 600 lbs. But I'll be damned if I never was accepted by the BMI.

Honestly, I never cared and still don't. I like muscle and strength more than a BMI chart. Am I the odd man (woman) out? Am I in the minority of ppl with whom this has happened too? Granted I come from a long, LONG line of mesomorphs and body builders, so it might be in the genes...

EDIT: Note I am not not now bc I do have some extra weight that needs to come off. Just a general question for those that consider themselves to be "in shape"

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