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7/7/10 9:59 P

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I've never heard of that show but my husband witnessed having a pig slaughtered for our BBQ a couple of weeks ago and wrote all about it on our blog. It's got sort of graphic photos (none of the actual slaughter), but he said it was very humane.

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7/7/10 9:28 P

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Is anyone else watching tonight's episode of The Beekman Boys, where they had their two pigs slaughtered?

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Is anyone else watching tonight's episode of The Beekman Boys, where they had their two pigs slaughtered?

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6/23/10 1:31 P

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They will all stop producing around the 2 year mark. Usually they will have birds all the same age in one area. It's not cost effective to continue feeding them after they stop producing. Chickens live about 10-15 years, so I highly doubt they keep them.

What CSA do you use?

Edited by: RBRINK21 at: 6/23/2010 (13:36)
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6/23/10 12:58 P

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In the cage-free environments, how do they know which ones aren't producing anymore? Don't organic farms just let them live out their natural lifespan? Seriously, I can't imagine the owners of my CSA's organic farm allowing the chickens to be killed. I'll have to ask them.

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6/23/10 12:50 P

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And hens are slaughtered after they reach their egg producing peak at 18 months old.

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6/23/10 12:36 P

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FYI ... Veal is a direct byproduct of producing dairy products.

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6/23/10 8:25 A

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Keep pushing your grocer! We have to attack this issue from all angle and demand better quality in all standards of farming practice. Not to get all hippy dippy, but the disconnect between taking a life and eating a burger is not a healthy one. Our relationship to food animals should be one of deep respect and gratitude throughout the animals life stages and slaughter.

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6/21/10 9:28 P

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Wow, so you can't be an ethical consumer AND own guns? I have guns. I'm sorry you feel that keeps me from being an ethical consumer.

But not to get off track, if you had read my first post about halal I stated that I wasn't sure yet because I hadn't seen it and wasn't going to take anyone's words 100%. I have, however, seen other animals slaughtered from small family farm operations to factory farm operations. Just nothing that was specifically halal.

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6/21/10 7:04 P

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"Personally I feel that a shot to head before bloodletting is more humane and instanteous than slitting it's throat"

Maybe I would consider that if I wasn't Muslim. And if I was ok with guns - and being an ethical consumer, I'm not. Even if you shoot the animal in the head, get it drunk, or booze it to the point where you think they don't feel anything you still have to make sure that whatever method you use is done correctly.

I guess what I'm trying to say is good luck.

Also, according to the certified humane standard booklet, kosher and halal slaughtering methods are considered humane if the animal's head is secured prior to the cutting and the cut takes place within 10 seconds of the head being secured. www.certifiedhumane.org/uploads/pdf/
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6/21/10 2:24 P

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I've watched animals being slaughtered before and will soon be slaughtering my own animals. Personally I feel that a shot to head before bloodletting is more humane and instanteous than slitting it's throat. Sure, the heart isn't helping pump the blood out faster, but gravity does it's job and the animal is no longer alive.

The person we're getting our beef from uses this method.

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6/21/10 2:10 P

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The verdict on how painful halal/kosher methods are for animals is not conclusively in yet: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal#Halal_fo
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And yes I've witnessed several halal killings. If the butcher is incompetent and makes a bad cut it can take several minutes for the animal to die but if he's any good it takes a minute or two for the animal to die.

I would subject every adult meat eater to watch their animals being killed for food, whether it's killed as humanely as possible or not. If you want to eat meat there is always a degree of discomfort for both humans and animals lol.

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6/21/10 9:32 A

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Have you ever seen what happens with an animal with it's neck slit? It kicks and screams. It's not a slow process either, usually taking several minutes to bleed out. If they knocked the animal unconcious it would be more humane, but from what I've heard, halal doesn't do that.

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Jonathan Safran Foer, in his book Eating Animals, writes at lenght about "Ceritified Humane," and he's not kind. He says it's basically a meaningless designation, just a marketing ploy. Cerified by whom? And how? And do they even make an inspection? If so, how often? And is it a surprise, or is the "farm" warned ahead of time?

We eat the eggs from our own chickens, and other than that, we avoid meat.

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6/21/10 7:31 A

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I don't know how humanely it's raised, but the way halal (and kosher) meat is killed is very humane. It's a quick slit of the throat, so it's over really fast and very humane.

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6/20/10 11:05 P

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What I find interesting is several people I know say halal is the way to go because it's so respectful of the animal. And then I have this Turkish friend who says it's the most gruesome and barbaric custom imaginable. Part of me wants to not believe him, but the other part of me can't completely dismiss him. There's a halal place kind of near me that allows you to watch the slaughter. I think I'll have to watch it before I make my decision on what to do with our goats.

The most humane slaughter I've seen so far was this big guy doing it on youtube. He got the goat really drunk so that it was pretty much unconscious before he slaughtered it. The alcohol helped it die faster too due to thinning the blood.

Edited by: RBRINK21 at: 6/20/2010 (23:07)
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6/20/10 10:35 P

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Most of the meat I eat is from the halal store and I've visited their farm which isn't too far away and saw the way the animals were treated. It was like from an idyllic movie or something :)

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6/19/10 8:02 P

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If you can't raise it yourself then you should definitely get out there and trying meeting farmers/ranchers. Otherwise there really is no way to know how humanely they are raised since most "certifications" can still be rather lax.

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6/19/10 5:38 P

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Thanks for the reply, RBRINK21. Raising my own meat is too hands on for me. I'm more of a pester-the-grocery-store-managers-to-carry
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I'm planning on raising layer chickens next year. Do you have any recommendations for books to read on the how-to?

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6/19/10 3:24 P

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I have my own layer chickens and we will be raising our own meat chickens as well. For other meats we've developed relationships with farmers that raise their own. For pork, we bought a live hog and then are taking it to someone else to slaughter this first time so we can learn how to do it ourselves. I actually just wrote a post about this issue this morning.

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6/19/10 1:55 P

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I searched this team's entire site, and didn't find anything on Certified Humane.

Is anyone else trying to only purchase Certified Humane? Thankfully, I have one grocery store that carries Certified Humane chicken and eggs, but no beef or pork. How are your searches going?

www.certifiedhumane.org/

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